dreamsmith ([info]dr3amsm1th) wrote in [info]dears,

Tawain's Typhoon vs Japan's Gackt: Vanilla or not?


I know there is an online debate about this new Taiwanese band. For those who wants to about the group Typhoon, here is the picture of them taken from here. As the picture shows, the band has 3 members called Toro, Darren and Xiao-Zhu. I can only identify Toro (middle) for you because he used to be in another Taiwanese band called Energy. The website from which the picture was snitched, vaguely mentions about Toro's background and his ideals for this band. The only significant line to note would be:

台风”标榜自己走的是华丽摇滚,有人说他们像日本视觉系艺人,但孙德荣对“视觉系”这顶帽子相当排斥,孙总说:“Toro 、Darren、小村都是美型男,他们五官都长得很好,绝非视觉系。”

The passage translate to say that many people think they are imitating visual artiste hailing from Japan. However, the group's manager says that the band hate to be classified or liken to Japanese visual artistes. He adds that the 3 are all pretty boys and have good facial features, so they are unlike visual bands. This quote above is incomplete from the actual interview actually, because according to the Singapore newspapers the manager further said that unlike visual bands who smeared their faces with makeup, this group does not have to because they have nothing to hide. He further insinuated that he thought it ridiculous that males have to wear makeup and these boys have the clean look that many girls like.

Of course, if you note, I think they are all wearing like makeup. Esp Toro with his eyeliner.
In addition, isnt it ironic that while they try to shun away from the label or association with Japanese groups, Toro is packaged to look like Gackt, The fellow on the left to look like Hide and the one on the right to look like You? No? Please refer to the website given above to see the other 2 more pictures. You would also note that they package themselves to look like GacktJob in a way with their dressing(swords?), poses.

But the controversy would be about the song 狂愛戰隊 which translate into Crazy Love Brigade.

Many have pointed out that this song sounds like Gackt's Vanilla. The LJ discussion can be found here. Provided by [info]ruji, the link when opened in IE will give you the preview of the whole song in question. The singing isnt any good but if you must, listen to find the similarities in tune.

The important question whether the band has rights to the song Vanilla and are only doing a cover of it, is answered in these 2 websites:
1) http://gb.udn.com/gb/stars.udn.com/star/StarsContent/Content6902/
2) http://www.libertytimes.com.tw/2005/new/dec/23/today-show2.htm

From the first site, the important line is "TORO表示歌曲是他自己创作的,并没有任何抄袭 "
It translate to say that the lead Toro asserting that HE wrote the song himself and there is NO copying.

The second site's important line is "這兩首歌的原曲大不相同,會被大家誤會,只是因為編曲上有日本味道及某些音樂因素是相同的而已。" where Toro says that the 2 songs are different in tune and the only reason people get confuse is because the tune sounds like Japanese pop.


In case, you wanted more information on the song, here is a site that gives you the lyrics and people involved in the producing. By the way, the lyrics in Chinese is bad. I mean the Chinese used is bad, the imagery from the words is horrible. The lyrics translated:



OS: Wait lead broadcaster, it should be my turn! Yes.. this station's news time. First we bring you this emergency warning: The local seaside region has been invaded by unidentified object. It is coming towards the city and it might be a monster which has great damaging powers.
The world is already on high alert, and we have already sent out the strongest team: Typhoon.
Citizens please stay home behind closed doors and windows. There is nothing to worry. Dont go out and leave everything to us newscasters.

How can I ever see you leave again?
Let the proud bright colors of your armour fade with its energy
The birds' curses of "Wah wah wah" are making my body gear up
Dear little princess of the rainbow, actually you are my life

The black pressuring clouds cover all our roofs
The evil rider of folk-lore obstructs my path
You are entangled with crystal tears as you skim pass the black forest
Giving me a heart filled with pure love, which provides me with super powers

Oh baby oh baby, no matter how hard and difficult the road before me lies, God give me strength.
Oh baby oh baby, no matter how hard and difficult, God "powerを貸してください " (dunno what is this)

Dont say goodbye my love. Use both hands to change our future
Goodbye my love, I will make your wait worthy with our fighting
Goodbye my love, use both hands to change our future.
Goodbye my love, please dont wipe out my existence with bright red lipstick.

A glass of red wine feeds their ambition
You must never second-guess and be angry becauseI will come to save you
gathering all my strength to overcome all obstacles
a celebration is waiting for us.

OS: Yes! Latest news for you!
After a day of grueling battle, our team Typhoon has fulfilled all the people's expectations and are back victorious!
The world has recovered its peace. AS they say, the good beget good (from karma), the bad begets bad, it is all a matter of time...



Like how bad are the lyrics?
But go decide by yourselves whether this is a rip-off of Gackt's Vanilla.


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[info]angfucious

December 25 2005, 19:43:09 UTC 6 years ago

Why don't they just sing Vanilla and get it over with. You know it's funny you mention Energy. I remember listening to them and they had ripped off many Korean artists with their music. It is no surprise to me that this group has moved on to Japanese artists. There is no originality anymore, especially in a group where one of the members used to be in Energy.

[info]incuchiq7prb

December 25 2005, 19:57:32 UTC 6 years ago

You mean that Toro guy's done this before?!

btw...Gackt & Ipod?! ...I don't suppose there's a full size of that is there?

[info]angfucious

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[info]fey_bot

6 years ago

[info]myy

December 25 2005, 20:43:09 UTC 6 years ago

"He adds that the 3 are all pretty boys and have good facial features, so they are unlike visual bands."

*dies laughing*

Well that was a really clever and educated statement. < /sarcasm >

As for the song... I'm just not going to say anything but I will be here shaking my head sadly. The karma will get them, I'm sure...

[info]haiiroko

December 25 2005, 21:34:25 UTC 6 years ago

I thought that too!! XD XD add some make-up to that (wait they already did!!) and it's a visual band!! @___@

[info]efreakextreme

December 25 2005, 20:56:10 UTC 6 years ago

Oh dear. -.-; Around the first few lines, I was thinking "Godzilla?" XD;
o__O *points at Toro's shirt* I don't like it.
Seriously, do they really think they're going to get away with it? Clearly it sounds A LOT like Vanilla. And I highly doubt it's just a coincidence... I wonder how Gackt feels about this.. o.O

[info]whiteness

December 25 2005, 21:12:35 UTC 6 years ago

I can't listen to that song online, could anybody stream it from the website and upload it? Please? Thank you.

[info]aishteruzutto

December 25 2005, 21:36:24 UTC 6 years ago

I hope they burn

I hope Gackt sues them or something. That's terrible, I hope nobody buys their albums and they all die from poverty. And I also listened to Nic Tse's singing of Oasis. WTF!! These people are giving us Chinese people a bad reputation. >(

[info]yamikarasu

December 25 2005, 21:43:28 UTC 6 years ago

Re: I hope they burn

I think Tse had permission, though. I'll give him that he apparently does put some effort into making it at least -sound- good.

These guys just seem pathetic.

[info]andrews23

6 years ago

[info]yamikarasu

December 25 2005, 21:42:15 UTC 6 years ago

I did some research and Energy has an amazingly -good- reputation, it seems. Yes, there was a dispute over a Korean song by group JTL, but JTL said they -gave- permission to Energy... so...

This could very well be much the same. Either way, they're setting themselves up for a fall pretty fast with their hypocritical statements. That and they obviously don't know the point of Vis-Kei. >_> And I love their insinuation that all Visual artists look ugly, therefor they wear makeup, and that these three guys just look so good that they don't need it... Or something. *facepalms*

Another wonderful thing out of Taiwan. If it isn't pirated CDs, it's idiotic boy groups. *sigh*

[info]kuro_no_diablo

December 26 2005, 06:00:45 UTC 6 years ago

And I love their insinuation that all Visual artists look ugly, therefor they wear makeup, and that these three guys just look so good that they don't need it... Or something.

Obviously they haven't seen Mana before. XD And no, they haven't looked in the mirror either. *snorts*

[info]kami16

December 25 2005, 21:56:43 UTC 6 years ago

I highly doubt gackt gave them permission either. BUt this wouldnt be the first time gackt has had his songs stolen.
The Josey and the Pussy cats movie stole his Another world song i believe and didnt even give him credit for it. He did find out about it after the movie was made. So poor Gacchan this wouldnt be the first time this has happened

[info]panda_monium

December 25 2005, 22:23:15 UTC 6 years ago

Actually, the Josie and the Pussycats song/movie was released months before Another World. The movie was released in April 2001 in the US; Another World came out in September that year.

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[info]muse90210

December 26 2005, 01:40:48 UTC 6 years ago

Oh my. XD I do believe they are talking about the heavy Malice Mizer style VK make up, rather than the light kind of stuff Gackt wears nowadays. And they are so totally missing the point of VK. >.<

He further insinuated that he thought it ridiculous that males have to wear makeup

LMAO. They don't HAVE to, they WANT to. Because it adds an extra visual aspect to the performance. And that's what VK is about. Besides, that thought is so.... oldfashioned, and not in a good way. >.> And, really, haven't stage actors and such worn make up for years and years?

And yeah, the song does sound like Vanilla. There's no mistaking it, from the very first notes.

[info]ruji

December 26 2005, 02:36:47 UTC 6 years ago

*laughs* this is so amusing.. and so stupid. like i will believe he can come up with something like that. no offence to the Toro fans out there, but just how believable is it that two people on this earth can come up with the exact same thing, trumpets and all.

Thanks for posting! =)

[info]sweetestillness

December 26 2005, 02:46:29 UTC 6 years ago

Good lord. It's so similar it makes me cry.

Also, Hyde, Gackt, and You are all more attractive than these boys.

[info]lastsongreila

December 26 2005, 03:40:34 UTC 6 years ago

lalala~~ Are they trying to say that they dont even wear make up??Which artist doesnt wear make up?? They are talking Rubbish !!!

The music definately sounds like vanilla...

[info]zenk0ku

December 26 2005, 03:55:11 UTC 6 years ago

The thing that irks me is the fact that the manager claims they don't need makeup. Anyone who picks up a Chinese entertainment mag can see Toro decked out in his eyeliner and makeup so it's ridiculous to make such hypocritical comments.

[info]dybbuk_rei

December 26 2005, 04:36:35 UTC 6 years ago

Have they been watching Narnia too much? What's up with the shields and swords. Swords do not make them man. They are still just boys. And Toro isn't 'pretty/ have good facial features' either. I saw him up close before (like less than a feet away) without any makeup on and he looks just like your average Joe, if not worse with that haughty look on his face.

Gackt is too famous that everybody wants to imitate him. Plus the next person who says Gackt is pop gets a stab in the back.

[info]screwedupmodel

December 26 2005, 07:53:35 UTC 6 years ago

This comment was originally posted here:
http://www.livejournal.com/community/dears/974035.html?page=2#comments

but since i got there from here i figured i might as well post the comment here as well. gomen if the comment sounds abit out of place in here.


Wow I had no idea Nicholas Tse did one of gackt's songs. He's actually pretty big where i'm from. or at least he was a few years ago. So yeah i guess i can understand gackt collaborating with him. afterall, nicholas tse's pretty famous himself. however, these typhoon n00bs are a totally different story.. and i HATE them attempting to do visual kei yet denying it. i mean hello if you hate visual kei so much then leave the swords alone. the swords and outfits are obviously there for "roleplay" purposes ala visual kei so i dunno what bullcrap they're trying to get at by being so anti-visual kei.

AND WHO SAYS visual kei artists have smthin to hide?!?!?!?!? Gackt Hyde and You are prime examples of people with NOTHING to hide, i say. okay maybe gackt needs to hide a few wrinkles BUT THAT'S IT.


~~~30 min later~~~


=____= OHMYGAWD. Horrors! for those of you who cannot listen to the song on the link up there, here's another one that loads faster:

http://www.2ting.net/play/92876.htm

it should be the same. the link given didn't work for me either, heh.

anyways. OHMYGOD THEY ARE RIPPING OUR GACKT OFF WTF!!!! Maybe the lyrics are "original" (and extremely crappy) but OHMYGOD THE MUSIC????? WHO COULD POSSIBLY LISTEN TO THAT AND TELL ME IT'S NOT A VANILLA RIPOFF?!?! It's exactly the same. and vanilla's soundtrack isn't exactly very common. I am so pissed off on gackt's behalf. HOW DARE THEY BULLY GACKT PHROARRRR!!!!!!

[info]essenity

February 28 2006, 04:05:28 UTC 6 years ago

I finally found Nicholas Tse's Oasis Gackt cover. XD all I can say is Nicholas tried. He really did. But he lacks the... um... anger... emotion that we feel when Gackt sings. (I only noticed this after I heard Nicholas Tse's version.

[info]ryou_hi54

December 26 2005, 15:08:24 UTC 6 years ago

total rip off, i responded at their official website forum. shame on them

[info]dr3amsm1th

December 26 2005, 15:10:26 UTC 6 years ago

their official website forum?

[info]ryou_hi54

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[info]anti_sociality

December 26 2005, 15:12:40 UTC 6 years ago

i heard tat nic tse did apologize or something. tatz way better than this.

oh, and this is copied off the company's website, see what the president has to say about Gackt : 孫德榮先生要說:「亞洲唱片市場喜歡看帥氣男生乾乾淨淨,弄什麼煙燻妝呀,那是醜得不能見人的人才會做的事」

for those who dun understand itz basically this : the asian music market likes boys tat r clean-cut and handsome. and only those tat r too ugly to present their face to the public need makeup.

i suppose toro's too ugly to face the public then... he seems to wear even thicker makeup than Gackt.

and of course, this slander is supposed to be a distraction anyway. so tat fans would focus on his words rather than the copyright issue.

[info]dr3amsm1th

December 26 2005, 15:14:31 UTC 6 years ago

actually, nic tse did attribute the song-writing to Gackt.

[info]koji

December 26 2005, 18:34:42 UTC 6 years ago

Good, Bad, and Ugly

Well, the make-up comment was just rude on the managers part (quite unprofessional). I do think the band is going for a more visuel-kei look with their dress and hair, but I have to disagree that they are coping GacktJob or Hide in any of their style. They are just being visuel, not copying a particular group's style. There are hundreds of VK bands out there and if you generalize them that much they all look the same. So for their style, I think they're doing fine.

Their music on the other hand, well at least this song, is another story. I don't think the vocals are awful as you say, the vocalist has a decent voice, and the style of the music is different than Gackt's but not horrendious. Not as good as Gackt, no, but they're alright as far as talent. Originality however gets a negative 50. This is so OBVIOUSLY copying Gackt that it's painful. I'm sure they meant the lyrics are theirs, as they are quite different, but the MELODY! Note for note it belongs to Gackt. If they don't give him credit on this album than I do hope they lose a lot of money over it and are forced to think twice before they attempt something like this again. It's a shame to find such corruption in the industry.

Oh but in defense of Taiwan, not every band out there does this. There's a lot of really great talent out there, so please don't let this one band screw up the rep of an entire country. Thank you~

[info]paragyaru

December 27 2005, 09:02:29 UTC 6 years ago

This brings back memories of Vanilla Ice...

[info]chibi_gakuto

December 27 2005, 12:11:18 UTC 6 years ago

I think I am gonna die from laughter from their manager's comments. Way to go, Mr. Manager! *note the sarcasm*

The matter of whether the song is a rip-off of Gackt's Vanilla aside. To diss the whole visual kei industry and blatantly proclaim that visual kei artistes and guys who wear make-up are ugly and have something to hide, smacks of pure stupidity. In my opinion, if they weren't feeling so guilty that the accusations have a huge dose of truth in them, they wouldn't have made such inane comments in the first place.

Btw is there any other way to listen to the song? The links dun really work for me. It keeps on hanging every ten seconds or so.

[info]zenk0ku

December 27 2005, 23:59:56 UTC 6 years ago

I don't have the links to the song but I have the links off the forum where they merged Gackt's Vanilla and Typhoon's Love Brigade so you can hear the similarities.

http://0rz.net/640WZ
http://0rz.net/6e0VK

Just type in the url and it'll dl.

[info]ringoringo

December 28 2005, 08:07:41 UTC 6 years ago

its horrible ... and for him to say that he didnt copy gackts song? ... yea rite ... and vanilla ice didnt take david bowies song ... geez ...

[info]touchthesky18

December 28 2005, 15:39:12 UTC 6 years ago

has there been any commentary from Gackt regarding this situation at all? He must be aware of this by now, especially with commentary like that.

Don't blame Taiwan because of one group, that's offensive. There is decent original music. The actions of one group should not label the others.

[info]haven_of_melody

December 31 2005, 16:16:12 UTC 6 years ago

those losers .... -_- i hope gackt sues them

[info]fuxxtothefuture

January 7 2006, 03:10:53 UTC 6 years ago

Man I have just hear the song. And that with their outfits... o_____o someone plz shoot em xDDDDDDDDD

[info]lhukhe09

April 9 2006, 10:42:26 UTC 6 years ago

O_o;;

that is GACKT's vanilla!!! O_o;; really.. IT IS!! the intro is indeed vanilla.. the trumpet and stuff.. >_<;;

i sang the 1st verse of vanilla.. and.. well, it matched up.. with all the ups and downs.. from where they start to sing and ends a line.. O_o;;

when i continued singing, just a few words were entered later, but.. it's.. THE SAME!!

O_o;; >_<;; that is so TOTALLY BADDDD.. grrr..

and.. hmph!! that make-up thing?! well, excuse me!! maybe they're just uber jealous of gackt 'coz he's WAAAAY MORE HANDSOME than them!! *hmph*

*ANGRY ANGRY ANGRY* grrrrrrrrrrr.. >:|
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